Sep 2011 14

In his Budget 2011 speech the Chancellor signalled his intention to look into the operation of Income Tax and National Insurance Contributions. HMRC and the Treasury launched a “Call for Evidence” which expires this Monday, 19th September. The consultation includes 14 questions which have been copied below. The first three are of general interest and are aimed at everyone, and the others are more technical, aimed at HR professionals and employers.

If you want to respond so policy-makers in Government know your thoughts about the complexity and burdens of running separate systems of taxing income, please email [email protected] with your comments. We have reproduced the questions below and, for the general interest questions, provided brief suggestions.

General interest questions:

1. The Government believes that integrating the operation of income tax and NICs may have the potential to remove distortions, reduce burdens on business and improve fairness. Do you have any comments on these objectives?
You might want to mention transparency, and suggest that this objective, along with the others listed, could be much more effectively achieved by considering employers’ National Insurance Contributions (NICs) as well as employees’ contributions.

2. Of the differences between income tax and NICs listed in Table 1.A (or any others that you consider important) which do you see as the most significant in terms of their impact on: a economic distortions; b burdens on employers; c fairness?
Again, employers’ NICs impact upon these criteria so you may want to mention them here, too.

3. What do you think are the most important steps that could be taken to reduce the effects on: a economic distortions; b burdens on employers; c fairness?
Would some degree of tinkering with the existing, complicated system be best or should the Government be bolder and abolish NICs altogether and adjust Income Tax accordingly?

Employers and Payroll Professionals:
4. Under the current system, how much staff time and/or other resource is required to carry out income tax and NICs processes? Please give a score on a scale from 1 to 5 where 1 is only a small amount of time/resource and 5 is a great deal of time/resource for each of the following:
a) Familiarisation: understanding HMRC’s requirements, legislation and guidance.
b) Retrieval of information: obtaining the information required to run a PAYE payroll.
c) Record keeping: maintaining the records needed for income and NICs purposes e.g. keeping copies of returns/letters where necessary.
d) Calculation: calculating and checking income tax and NICs due (including in-year and end of year processes).
e) Provision of information to HMRC: reporting of information to HMRC e.g. P45s for new employees.
f) Provision of information to employees: reporting and providing information to employees e.g. year end P60s.
g) Payment of liabilities: paying income tax and NICs to HMRC.
5. Which aspects of the current income tax and NICs process work well for your business?
6. Do you carry out income tax and NICs obligations together? Are there any elements you carry out separately?
7. What effect do differences between income tax and NICs have on wider payroll processes such as expenses and benefits, statutory payments and student loans deductions?
8. Which of the differences between income tax and NICs are dealt with largely automatically by payroll software and which require significant manual working? Where manual working is required how straight forward is this?
9. Are there particular issues that occur in the calculation of income tax and NICs?
10. How often is it necessary to correct income tax or NICs calculations and which are the most time consuming to correct?
11. Do you have any comments about difficulties in designing or using software resulting from the differences identified in Table 1.A (or any others that you consider important)?
12. What do you see as the main differences between income tax and NICs in relation to employees you have who work internationally?
13. Which of the differences outlined in question 12 are dealt with largely automatically by payroll software and which require significant manual working? Where manual working is required how straightforward is this?
14 Do you have any views on how the introduction of Real Time Information (RTI) may affect the cost and benefits of income tax and NICs integration?

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  • Anonymous

    Why should we not also include council tax and company business rates as well as employer NI contributions as well? After all, companies simply pass those on to customers.

    Then there’s VED, fuel duty and VAT. And green taxes. And, of course, VAT levied on green taxes. And aggregate taxes, waste taxes – the whole lot. Then make filling in a tax return mandatory. Suddenly, when the public realise that closer to 65% of their income is taken from them and wasted by the state suddenly tax revenue might plummet and we finally start slashing back the obese leviathan and start to see efficient effective public services that cost far less.

    • Anonymous

      And on top, with cuts in spending, its nothing more that rampant price inflation of government services. Government relies on forcing people to accept its monopoly supply.

      Lets allow people to opt out. As a start, rubbish collection. We can pay a private firm if we want to collect rubbish. End result is that since a huge percentage of the governments costs are past debts hidden off the books, they will go bankrupt much faster, and that minimises the fall out. 

  • Dave Woolway

    I am now nearly 66 and have worked continuously since the age of 16. As a pensioner I am enjoying NOT paying NIC since retirement but wonder if there will be some additional tax free allowance for people such as myself if/when tax and NIC are combined or will this exercise lead to yet another penalizing economic blow for all pensioners.

  • Gkbernstein

    Will retired people who have ceased to pay NI, having done so throughout their working lives, now be brought into the scope of the combined tax, thereby collecting NI from them?

  • http://www.facebook.com/admered1 Andrew Meredith

    I will personally go outside and dance in the street if they ditch the NI system entirely.

    I used to run my own one-man-band business and found the whole thing terrifyingly complex. I never knew whether I had got it right; expecting a massive bill from them every verse end. Income tax and NI were the largest admin burden on my business; above the admin burden of actually running the firm even. Whenever I had discussions about all this with the HMRC, their basic assumption was that everyone running a business was (in actual practice, if not in law) required to hire an accountant. Anyone not doing so was either an accountant themselves, or was just negligent. I asked one question, on the face of it a fairly simple one about mileage on a company owned motorbike and was told to ask my accountant. When I repeated the fact that I didn’t have one, the guy said “Yes, I know you don’t”.

    I had/have no problem paying a fair and reasonable amount of tax, calculated in a clear and straightforward way. The current tax system in this country is none of the above.

    • http://twitter.com/rorymeakin Rory Meakin
      • Anonymous

         I was gong to make those very points that Mr Meridith did, I would add that since the online processing of tax has been introduced, small companies that do not ordinarlly require computers to run their main business activities  have now the extra burden of having to be an IT expert as well.

        I have a gut feeling that the only
        squeeky clean companies and individuals are those who have not been
        investigated, not because they are dodging tax, but
        because the tax dept seem to be draconian, give poor direction that they
        wont stand behind, create overly complicated and confused documentation and
        give advise without fully understanding or being interested in the business
        seeking advise.
         
        The problem with your advise is ; the tax rules are so open to interpretation, you will open yourself up to scrutiny any time you ask advice from the tax man. Therefore, they probably rarely get useful feed back especially as their word is the last word unless you want to go to court. My accountant (and believe me I would rather not have one) says more and more people/companies are being investigated and more and more penalties are being applied even after the company has done their best to mitigate problems and are involved in resolving them – this does not give confidence that they are fair. I only use an accountant so I have some support from someone who speaks the same language as the tax man should I get investigated.

        To further exacerbate the problem, tax is increasing being viewed as a punishment for people who have managed to get on and my limited exposure to tax officials gives me the impression that they feel the same.